Thursday, July 7, 2011

Tulip Sleeves: Yea or Nay?

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Are tulip sleeves controversial? I guess we're about to find out! I'm adding them to a pattern variation in my book, and I suddenly began to wonder what the general consensus was on the matter.

Personally, I do like these sweet little sleeves. They add an interesting design line, and their split structure makes them comfy rather than confining. I prefer when they're petite with a bit of gathering on the sleeve cap.

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I think tulip sleeves were done best in the 1940s. The proportions were just right.


They had slimmed down from the 30s, which were quite fluffier. All the more dramatic to wear with your turban!

Tulip sleeves seem to have fallen out of fashion in the 50s and 60s, only to return with a vengeance in the 70s and 80s. These are like Little Shop of Horrors tulip sleeves.

Your turn to weigh in, readers. Yea or nay on the tulip sleeve?

P.S. They're easy to draft! There's a great post on the subject here

76 comments:

  1. I vote yea. I think they are very feminine and girly. I like girly. And they are easy to make. I like them with a little puff on the top too.

    I recently purchased a new pattern (don't have it right here, sorry) with tulip sleeves. I can't wait to make it!

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  2. I never knew the name of this type of sleeve. As long as it's not a giant sleeve that looks like it's eating your arm like the 70s version, I think it would be a nice variation for your book.

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  3. Yay on the 40 and 30s versions, nay on the 70s-80s shepherdess ones. Hmm, tulip sleeves could be an excellent place for piping....

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  4. I think the 'petite' early versions are also really flattering for those of us with less than perfect arms.

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  5. Funny how I only recently discovered this style a few months ago and now it keeps popping up everywhere! Including on a French T-shirt I bought for my youngest only a month ago...

    I'm a yea (and have plans to try it out on a future project, so how very serendipitous that you should be including it in your book!). But only for the earlier teenier versions. Giant puffy ones, not so much.

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  6. I believe I've never noticed this sleeve type before! It looks very nice in the old (40's) fashion drawings. But how does it look on a real live dress/blouse? I googled some images - some are very pretty and flattering for the arms (http://gap.com/Asset_Archive/GPWeb/Assets/Product/814/814281/big/gp814281-00vliv01.jpg) while others are not so...

    Conclusion: They have potential, but they need to be done right.

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  7. Personally - i really like them - they cover up the top part of my arms that I loathe! Plus - they look purty!

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  8. They look really cute in the 1940's patterns, they work really well with the rest of the dress.. but they look HORRIBLE in the 1980's Butterick pattern, haha.

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  9. I vote yea and nay... I like tulip sleeve when the armhole seam is smooth like in the 1940s patterns... once the patterns move to the gathering at the armhole along with the tulip sleeve then I'm kind of turned off by the look.

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  10. Yea for the 40's ones, nay for any tulip sleeve with a gathered sleevehead. Just too much going on!

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  11. I prefer a longer sleeve as my upper arms are not getting any younger. But tulip sleeves are pretty. I like the petal-lapping effect.

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  12. I like the 40s version. They are quite cute! I say go for adding it to your book.

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  13. I have to admit, I'm on the fence... In theory I like them in 40s fashion; they're cute and a size and proportion that are generally flattering. I think the 80s versions scarred me for life though, which is probably why I tend to gravitate away from them!

    But... I am curious to see what your version looks like. Who knows?! Maybe you could start a revival of tasteful tulip sleeves! ;)

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  14. A definite 'YAY' from me! I too love the understated look of them in the 40s!

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  15. Roseanna
    I like them, not the big ones but the subtle femininity of them. But do you think the fabric choice affects that? What does everyone else think? No on a printed cotton shirt, yes on a more drapey solid?
    Please comment gals before I get carried away and cut something out!!

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  16. I like them on people under about age 40. After that, the sleeves have a sort of "mutton dressed as lamb" feel. On the other hand, they are a good solution for large biceps (a.k.a. underarm flab) for those of us who have passed the middle-age mark. The sleeves are adorable on little girls -- I've seen them with lace, rickrack, piping and tiny ruffles outlining the crossover. Beads, maybe? Fringe? The mind boggles.

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  17. Definitive yea! I love them, they're so dainty and feminine and just pretty (not the 80s version, of course, but then I think the 80s should never have happened at all). I'm generally a fan of interesting sleeve variations - I'll choose a puffed sleeve, a flutter sleeve, even leg-of-mutton sleeves or whatever over normal straight sleeves any day.

    I think I need to add a tulip sleeve to the third rendition of my favorite cowl-necked top. Thanks for reminding me of this great sleeve form. :)

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  18. I, too like this sleeve and have never had enough of them. Thank you for the link to the other blog with directions. Sometimes you can successfully make changes like this and sometimes you can't, so I like the confirmation that this easy change is good to go. I've been wanting to use this sleeve on little girls lately!

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  19. A definite yea for me though i do need to put in some parameters and say yea to the 1940s style tulip sleeve...The 70s and 80s sleeves are horrendous.

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  20. Love tulip sleeves. And I do like the 80's version. Some of the 80's was overwhelming, but there was also a feeling of both power and femininity at the same time.

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  21. I'm not sure what I think of them. I have yet to see a garment in real life that has tulip sleeves. I'm not excessively excited by them, but I'm curious. I like the 40s pattern covers you included in your post. I have a 70s pattern for a dress with tulip sleeves. They're close to the 40s version, not huge like what you show on the 80s pattern. It's this pattern: http://vintagepatterns.wikia.com/wiki/McCall%27s_3912
    I guess I'll discover whether I like them or not once I've made the dress. ^^

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  22. I'm going with the general theme! Yay to understated, beautifully proportioned 40s. Run screaming from the 80s version!

    Pondering their addition to a princess seamed shell top now...

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  23. I really like the smaller Tulip sleeves - I'm not really keen on the 80's style though

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  24. I think they are adorable. And I'd just like to say I'm getting more and more excited with every mention of your book. It sounds like its going to be splendid! I can't wait to order mine. :)

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  25. I agree with you Gertie, tulip sleeves were done best in the 40s - very feminine and pretty! I didn't realize thy were controversial, but looking at the 70s and 80s versions I can start seeing why, yeesh! It's time to bring back the classy version :)

    Also, I saw the article for your bombshell dress class. Looks amazing!

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  26. Yay! I have a dress from Peacocks (UK High St Store0 that has these sleaves, i am going to copy the pattern because as with all high street dresses it is too short, just above the knee. Where i like my dresses below the knee or teal lenght to hide my chubby knees!!!

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  27. I like the cute 1940's ones, though I would like to see a photo because I've never seen it in person, for real.

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  28. I think they can be really sweet and feminine, if like you mentioned, they are done in proportion!
    I altered a bm dress recently for a friend that had horrendous 80s style sleeves, and we removed about half the fabric to make them fit her, yikes.

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  29. I love them... they are a great option for women with fuller upper arms. My Mom has really big arms and this sleeve is so flattering and it never binds when she moves...

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  30. I say yea. I prefer the smaller 4os style to the larger 70s sleeve.

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  31. Yea, yea, yea. As one with voluptuous upper arms that make sleeveless dresses a thing of the past, these are light, airy and forgiving. I'm glad you're adding them to your book. BTW, most everything was overdone in the eighties--let's just skip over that decade and move on.

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  32. Love tulip sleeves, but while I agree with others here that they can't be too big, I also think they can't be too small either. I have a dress with tulip sleeves that are cap-sleeve size, and they slide up onto my shoulders, making the dress look more bunched and sleeveless than cap-sleeved. Not a good look.

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  33. I think the tulip sleeves are very pretty,I prefer the earlier versions myself. I never knew what they were called before. :)

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  34. I say yea. The tulip sleeve doesn't cut horizontally accross the upper arm which can be unflattering on people with wider upper arms (um, okay, me) so the tulip sleeve is a nice alternative.

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  35. I'd like to make that brown dress on the simplicity pattern... any idea if you can get that pattern anywhere?

    I like the tulip sleeves if they are done right, I agree with you that the 40's is the best.

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  36. For a modern version see modcloth's you are dazzling top, (sadly no longer available) I love the tulip sleeves reminiscent of the 40's era and am frequently complimented. http://www.modcloth.com/Womens/Tops/Short+Sleeve/-You-Are-Dazzling-Top

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  37. Big yea for the 30s and 40s style. Such a lovely detail.

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  38. I say yea, 40s style. Also, I would do anything for the 3rd pattern down.....I've got an October wedding to attend and that short-sleeved cross-over shirred number with the short sleeves in a claret raw silk is the dress I've been dreaming about!

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  39. tulip sleeves = high cuteness factor = yea

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  40. I like them BUT as the 40's not the 80's

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  41. I like the idea of tulip sleeves, and often I like them in execution.

    However, fabric choice and cut are critical. (Well, I guess that's always true...)

    If they are cut skimpy and/or the fabric is too "grippy," the petals will spread apart as you move your arms, but not slide back into place. Leaves weird saddle-bags on the sides and looks sloppy.

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  42. I vote yea! I love them slim and subtle, the only time you run into trouble is if they are huge. I love the look on the 40's form, such a nice detail! Please teach me how to make them, oh wise Gertie!

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  43. Yea.

    OK, in and of themselves, they are not really my thing. I'm very much a cuffed-sleeve kind of girl. But in certain contexts, I think they are a total thumbs-up, and in these cases, I think they add a great finishing touch by echoing the dresses' other design elements.

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  44. I think a nice simple tulip sleeve is really pretty, however if you have thick (read: fat) arms like me (and many people i've seen) i've always found they seem to accentuate that fact, like my fat arm is incredible-hulk-busting out of the sleeve. which is unfortunate because i've always really wanted to wear them.

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  45. Gertie, sleeves are a big deal for me because I'm busty and have big upper arms. The 1930s tulip sleeve style is the most forgiving on me because it's both structured and feminine at the same time. Please please include them in your book.

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  46. I like tulip sleeves. Not a fan of the gathering on the top of the sleevehead, (or the 70s version) but the plain one adds some interest and a bit of coverage.

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  47. I love tulip sleeves! At least the one which aren't too puffy. A definite yea from me.

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  48. OMG, I need the third pattern from the top (Simplicity, with the diagonal lines. I searched for Simplicity 2250 but that is obviously not it. Help, please!!

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  49. I love, love, love tulip sleeves. (Not the ones from the 80s, of course. There were no good sleeves in the 80s.) They're exact opposite of cap sleeves, which I hate. I've never understood why you would want to cover your shoulders and constrict your arms while showcasing your armpits. Armpits should not be a feature.

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  50. Yea for the '40s version - defined, sculpted and so very often an extension of the bodice design.

    Those puffy 70s and 80s ones make me shudder.

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  51. Major yay! Pretty, feminine, easy, and adds a great detail of interest on a short sleeve.

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  52. The best tulip sleeves today are used in couture children's designs.
    Chris

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  53. Yea, absolutely! I inherited a 40's dress of my Grandma's that had a sweetheart neckline and tulip sleeves. The sleeves were its most delightful feature and I wore it to shreds!

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  54. 100% Yeah - my favourite dress (that is fast wearing out) has tulip sleeves - LOVE them - they are so comfy and leave room for arm lifting when dancing - so no need to put strain on sleeves or side seems! hoorah

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  55. ~ * ♥ * ~

    A big yay on the lovely 1940s versions; I adore the slight puff and the interest that tulip sleeves add to a dress. : )

    xox,
    bonita of Depict This!
    ~ * ♥ * ~

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  56. I vote yea. I loved them in the 70s and 80s...still do! :) I have been thinking about using them in a dress or maybe a top next summer. (It's winter here now) Not sure if I will use any gathering or leave them smooth.

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  57. I really like them, they add a vintage feel to a dress, I would be very interested in a tutorial.

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  58. I can't really say I've ever been a fan, mostly because I've never seen them done so elegantly as they are in the first two patterns!

    But now I have seen them done eleganty, I'm possibly going to have a look into them - they'd be perfect for girls with bigger arms!

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  59. I like them! Very cute and feminine. (Except for those scarily large ones the did in the 80's. *shudder*)

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  60. Thumbs up on the 40s version of the tulip sleeve. I'm not real big into the puffiness of the 70's version.

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  61. I LOVE the tulip sleeve. A few seasons ago they were in style, as I know Banana Republic had some blouses with tulip sleeves...I coveted them, but alas the blouses were too small in the chest.
    Check it out here http://www.polyvore.com/banana_republic_silk_tulip-sleeve_printed/thing?id=4711043 and here http://www.polyvore.com/petite_apparel_silk_tulip-sleeve_top/thing?id=2594703.


    I think they are sexy and feminine, because they offer the coverage of a sleeve with a tiny hint of openness that makes them sexy.

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  62. Tulip sleeves are quite elegant, and would be a lovely variation to add to your book. :)

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  63. Though I do like tulip sleeves—the 40s iteration, anyhow—I agree with an earlier poster who mentioned that it does depend on one's age and the shape of their arms! They're cute, though, and so sweet. Why not put them in the book? Maybe you'll start a streamlined tulip sleeve revival!

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  64. Tulip sleeves - one of my all time fave designs! big yea!

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  65. I love them. I had a pattern back in the 80s that had 3 or 4 sleeve variations, tulip being one of them. I made that same dress in several fabrics and sleeve variations. I still have the pattern, but the size isn't a match anymore. I vote yea on tulip sleeves.
    Zizzlezoo

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  66. My favourite dress ever has tulip sleeves, and they definitely add to its comfort, among other things. The dress seems to me to be a 70s or 80s take on 40s... would be nice if it were the real thing, but I suspect it's too modern for that (fusible interfacing, anyone?). Anyway, it has a wrap-style bodice and the tulip sleeves go extremely well with that!

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  67. I like most versions, with the exception of the 80's, super-full Diana tulip. I really like the tulip sleeve on the Macaron dress that I just finished!

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  68. I really like the 40s version, so feminine and pretty.

    www.wangsfactory.blogspot.com

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  69. Super beautiful sleeves! The ones from the 1940's look the most elegant I think. So I vote Yea!

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  70. I vote yea! Never gave much thought to these, but the 40's pattern makes me wanna try it!

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  71. I like the '40s version of the tulip.

    As an aside, I'm pretty sure that last bridal dress pattern is the one from which we made our bridemaids' dresses for my best friend's wedding.

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  72. Yeah on a great 40s pattern of course, I own a pattern with it and I expect make it one day, most anything from 70s and 80s is tacky looking for some reason. 40s shoulders are too big, but I still fall in love with tons of 40s patterns figuring I'll just get rid of that one thing and the rest is fine, at least tulip sleeves have real sleeves instead of the other popular dolman where the sleeve is just an extension of the bodice so I kinda like any 40s pattern with a real sleeve, tulip or not. There's a blog out there if you google 40s dress sewing blog and you see this drop dead gorgeous red dress I'm pretty sure has the tulip sleeve, it was after I saw that dress that I went on ebay and scored my similar pattern. Great thing about 40s patterns is that if you miss one you liked, there are other ones similar enough that you can find if you can't find the exact one.

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  73. The 40s tulip sleeve looks amazing--I may have to try this out on my current favourite dress pattern. I've been tinkering with the sleeves and still haven't gotten them quite to the comfortable and attractive stage.

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