tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post8577684659378751708..comments2024-03-14T16:03:32.434-04:00Comments on Gertie's New Blog for Better Sewing: On the Ideals of Vintage BeautyGertiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04314542159287533507noreply@blogger.comBlogger71125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-43578668853811724102012-12-26T16:23:54.220-05:002012-12-26T16:23:54.220-05:00What is important is to be comfortable and confide...What is important is to be comfortable and confident with your own individual look/style and not be swayed or discouraged by anyone else's opinion of you. When you get too neurotic about your vintage it's like you're trying too hard and that totally takes the fun out of it! My look is either vintage, vintage repro, or vintage inspired and it works for me and (usually) results in loads of compliments from both women and men. It would be pious on my part to frown on anyone who wasn't a "vintage purist" because frankly I don't want anyone judging or criticizing me for my fashion choices. <br /><br />There are certainly days when my look is decidedly less vintage than others and the reasons are usually due to circumstance. It is much easier to go thrifting in something that you can quickly try on a piece of clothing over; usually leggings with flats on bottom and a fitted cotton blouse on top. Moreover, I'm not at home bent over the cutting table and sewing machine in full blown vintage either; that would just be silly! The 6:00 AM run to Starbucks certainly doesn't call for anything more than modest yoga attire and a ponytail. My "go to" pieces for knocking about town are usually capris, flats, a cardigan, scarf, and pearls. Super easy, quietly classy, vintage inspired, and best of all it's not a pair of sweats with "Juicy" emblazoned across my backside. <br /><br />Personally I love to wear a 40's or 50's housedress with a pair of funky cowboy boots, straw cowboy hat (we live in Texas y'all) and Ray-Bans just as much as I love a head to toe glam look down to the corset, garters, and seamed stockings. It's all about the mood, the weather, and the occasion. My job allows me a reason to look glam every day and that fits perfectly into my lifestyle since I'm single and can devote my morning to acheiving a "look". Heaven knows we don't all have that luxury! <br /><br />Dita has worked very hard to create her image, style, persona, and her wealth and can afford to rock authentic vintage every single day. For the majority of us, we can afford to rock the styles everyday women wore and still look every bit as cool as Dita. And you know what? You don't have to be a pin-up girl or a burlesque queen to love and appreciate all that is "la vida vintage". xoxox40's Fashionistanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-1942558754802794052011-10-01T18:16:20.913-04:002011-10-01T18:16:20.913-04:00I know this post was back in 2010 but I have just ...I know this post was back in 2010 but I have just found it (fantastic). <br /><br />I had to comment on this vintage theme. I am in my late thirties and have just found my style which is slightly vintage and classic - probably as I have just faced reality that I am an hourglass shape and this is what suits me best!<br /><br />I think people are turning to vintage because they no longer like the "Wayne and Waynetta slob look" (slob out sweatshirt and sweatpants "extreme example is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb-f8CTafHs.<br /><br />I personally think it is awful but people still wear it AND people think it is fashionable!<br /><br />Old school vintage is definitely the way to go!Millynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-2634385534985987082011-02-16T13:43:30.673-05:002011-02-16T13:43:30.673-05:00I know a woman who owns a vintage clothing store -...I know a woman who owns a vintage clothing store - I hope my english is correct! And she is very pointy about authenticity, but I believe I've never seen so much dedication and efforts, but it's all natural to her. She wouldn't go out shopping without her hair being all perfectly curled for example, and honestly, I admire such dedication and passion, especially since it's became effortless to her - as I admire Dita's, because "gazillion dollars" or not, she's doing it all herself and has no stylist nor hair dresser...<br /><br />I think you should just wear what you like : this is what makes you unique and having fun dressing, and chosing an era to "copy" doesn't mean it will suit you in every aspect - and I believe people taking inspiration from the past (or anything not mainstream) have been creative and clever enough to understand you can make the best of yourself and have fun too with style...<br /><br />I only take inspiration from vintage fashion, and don't worry much about wearing a 40's hat with a 50's suit and modern high heels for example - I just hate vintage or retro shoes on my feet. But I do wear silk kimonos at home, or nylon stockings + garter belt everyday and never jeans : just because of the feeling of each and my preferences, but it is no dedication, rather comfort. <br />I am not trying to reenact the past, but rather to feel feminine and make what I feel is the best for me!Lily D.http://psychedeslys.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-37436915583535976372010-02-07T19:57:35.454-05:002010-02-07T19:57:35.454-05:00This post rings so true for me - often, if I go al...This post rings so true for me - often, if I go all out with vintage style, I feel like a little girl playing dress up. I also stick out like a sore thumb!<br /><br />I think people use vintage to show off their individuality - but it's not being individual if you're just copying the women of the past garment for garment. By combining elements of it with modern style, I show much more of my own personality. Of course, it all depends on your taste. I think if people feel better in themselves by being 'authentic', then that's fine. But if it's just to impress others, then that's not at all empowering.ElectricHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10517929708119133007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-20475295742021267662010-02-05T18:09:55.848-05:002010-02-05T18:09:55.848-05:00Yay! I like what you have to say.
And I believe it...Yay! I like what you have to say.<br />And I believe it is accoutrements for plural, in English and French.Alyssahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14204598010453409678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-71668872236352272672010-02-05T12:51:38.671-05:002010-02-05T12:51:38.671-05:00Gertie, I love your style! I have been following y...Gertie, I love your style! I have been following your blog for a while and I so admire you. My grandmother's heyday was in the 40's and I love to look at old pictures of her and my grandfather and their friends. For me it's the sweet, simple everyday style that I love, of course I like the glam look too, but to me the natural, simple look is so refreshing. I think you do a wonderful job of incorporating both and not losing yourself in the mix. Keep being your awesome self! :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-65635015864753772332010-02-03T00:35:16.724-05:002010-02-03T00:35:16.724-05:00I love this! You are totally right. No matter how ...I love this! You are totally right. No matter how much a girl may try, she <i>cannot</i> be a girl in the 40s, because (duh) it's the...um...teens? 2010s? <br /><br />Besides the obvious temporal issue, modern mentality just isn't the same as it was then. People didn't dress as they did to be ironic, they dressed to be dressed in whatever way made them feel fabulous. You can't take a vintage outfit entirely out of context. It just doesn't work. <br /><br />However, I find that little tributes to the past and touches of class here and there in a modern context can be both utterly gorgeous and completely rad. But amen to realism.<br /><br />Cheers, and good luck with your sewing adventures ;)<br />DaisyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-79713607865742954842010-01-30T03:56:56.216-05:002010-01-30T03:56:56.216-05:00I wish I could do an 'authentic' vintage l...I wish I could do an 'authentic' vintage look everyday (though, it would be a different one each day for, as you mentioned women didn't all dress the same way in the 40s and 50s) but I'm lazy. I like to wear sand-shoes and socks because women did wear sand-shoes and socks, I don't like being seen without my red lipstick on and I hate not having my nails painted, I won't wear my hair down if it isn't curled but I still like wearing it in a ponytail or two plaits. I'll sometimes wear trousers but feel more at home in a dress or skirt. I get a little annoyed at those who suggest a 'perfect' vintage look is too hard or impractical for the everyday woman...why can't I have curled hair and wear high heels everyday if I want to? (This wasn't aimed at what you have said but at things that have been said to me in the past). I thoroughly enjoy the process of getting ready and creating my look. <br />But I'll still 'dress down' (which is still often over-dressed by today's standards it seems) if I just don't feel it.<br />Having said all this, I don't give a hoot if other women want to make vintage their own in whichever way they want to.<br />-Andi x<br />P.S. I also love the idea of lounging around in glamorous clothes but that is something I don't do. ;]Andi B. Goodehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02332787961396491990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-5777608378914228112010-01-29T17:42:17.690-05:002010-01-29T17:42:17.690-05:00Just to elaborate on my previous comment (whoops, ...Just to elaborate on my previous comment (whoops, haven't had coffee yet and is a bad idea to comment before I have!) I don't think at all that there's anything wrong with constructing a perfect vintage look every day. All I'm saying is that I enjoy the freedoms we have now and that I, personally, like to dress down sometimes or play with vintage looks rather than reconstruct them perfectly. I hope that makes sense!<br /><br />(And I love Dita).Andrea Eameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15304706719936895188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-59183479099106119842010-01-29T17:36:09.136-05:002010-01-29T17:36:09.136-05:00Hear hear! I'm with you. I love my vintage clo...Hear hear! I'm with you. I love my vintage clothing and I love putting a look together, but I also reserve the right to enjoy the permissiveness of our modern era as well, and wear jeans if I feel like it. I don't want to feel like a cartoon or a caricature of myself. Even with my very vintage-inspired outfits, I include some sort of modern element because I just feel more comfortable that way - even if that 'modern element' is just my haircut! :) I have no interest in reconstructing a vintage look completely authentically (although I admire people who do, as it requires huge attention to detail) - I think the beauty of our society now is that we can include elements from many different eras and make the look our own.<br /><br />Andrea xxAndrea Eameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15304706719936895188noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-62475073071080479422010-01-28T00:53:04.694-05:002010-01-28T00:53:04.694-05:00I just stumbled upon another bloggers post about D...I just stumbled upon another bloggers post about Dita doing relaxed dressing. <br /><br />http://rosinalee.blogspot.com/2009/11/dita-does-casual.htmlKatenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-3816518649801950442010-01-27T16:21:12.200-05:002010-01-27T16:21:12.200-05:00The body issues involved in achieving vintage look...The body issues involved in achieving vintage looks are identical to those facing women who choose to dress in trendy, up to date clothing. Since many of us vintage nerds, we spend a lot of time looking at old advertisements, movies and pattern illustrations of looks.<br /><br />I think it is important to remember that these advertisements are nearly identical in intent as the first 30 pages of any vogue magazine. As women of alternative fashion, we know to take those images with a grain of salt. We should do the same with vintage images, no matter how much we love them and perhaps believe them to be more 'pure' in nature.Taylor Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04431950350691924633noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-58975434378649524932010-01-27T15:29:32.085-05:002010-01-27T15:29:32.085-05:00it's all about enjoying myself. I like victory...it's all about enjoying myself. I like victory rolls and red lipstick because it makes me feel happy.<br /><br />I almost always wear opaque tights with my dresses simply because they are warmer. Though not very 40s. I would hate for "dressing up" to become a burden. <br /><br />If you want to go full hog vintage everyday day do, if you want to dress what some people call "norm" do. i don't use my clothes or make up to express myself. I use my actions. I am more than just clothes. Everyone's personalities are too complex to be expressed solely by clothes or make up.Molly Bagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12916371997532443768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-29530489234546585752010-01-27T14:46:54.726-05:002010-01-27T14:46:54.726-05:00Hi, Gertie. I found your blog a bit ago and am rea...Hi, Gertie. I found your blog a bit ago and am really enjoying it! This is a thought-provoking post.<br /><br />Ten and twelve years ago, I worked pretty hard at pulling off a head to toe authentically vintage look. Now that I've matured a bit and have a million creative pursuits and a small child to run after all day, I've let that go in favor of a relaxed personal style that incorporates a bit of all the eras I love--Victorian through mid 20th century. Some days I wear heels and pencil skirts, but most days it's cowboy boots and jeans. I'm not really inspired anymore by pancaked and corseted perfection. I choose to take the best that each era has to offer, and mix it all up for a unique, but always classy look that's all mine and real. Sometimes I wear vintage slips to bed, but a whole lot of the time it's flannel pj pants and T shirts. It's pretty hard to cuddle up with a story book and a 3 year old while wearing a girdle.<br /><br />And although I'm a hair stylist, I just don't have time for wet sets every other day, so I often times go for a softer vintage look that can be achieved with a curling iron in 15 minutes. There are enough standards and measures for women in this world without setting more for ourselves!Holly Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03811532113860595918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-45269958517844599422010-01-27T07:40:35.277-05:002010-01-27T07:40:35.277-05:00I read this post this morning over my coffee and h...I read this post this morning over my coffee and have been pondering all day. I agree about having an "everyday" vintage style. I agree that the reasons I started sewing (mostly) vintage were mainly becauseWell said Emmi... well said indeed. of suitability to my body type, etc. <br /><br />I don't get the idea that vintage dressing evokes some era of feminine bondage. For one, wearing girdles and piles of underwear is not a uniquely vintage sadism for the sake of fashion. Think of all the sadism in our own mainstream society for the sake of what's normal. Consider if it is normal for women to completely remove their pubic hair. (sometimes with wax, ripping it out by the roots egad) Somehow this is almost mandatory. Consider the cult of "thin" which so many women daily sacrifice their bodies and their self esteem to chase. Don't even get me started on the modern proliferation of plastic surgery. I don't see these as any less damaging and demeaning than crinolines, elaborate hair, and girdles. In fact, I consider vintage ways of dealing with such demons to be less demeaning.<br /><br />I made a crystal clear decision one day, out of the blue, that I wanted to wear vintage clothing. I always loved staring at old snapshots of my gorgeous and stylish grandmother, felt so drawn to the clothes she wore. One day I decided I didn't care any more what people thought and I would pursue my own sense of style no matter where it took me. My transition was so gradual, but now I almost exclusively wear pretty vintage repro clothes. I've even branched out into shoes- and finding vintagey shoes in Australia is HARD. <br /><br />Also, Australia is a place that is somewhat more hostile to aggressive subcultures than America. When I go out lately I've noticed as many dirty looks as admiring ones. This puzzled me at first, but then I realized that people who don't know me well think that I am some sort of weirdo snob because of the way I dress. Not fair, I say. <br /><br />I can't really wear jeans any more, they don't feel nice to me. I wear sneakers for the gym but that's all. In fact, only my gym wear seems unaffected by my style choices. Maybe a little playsuit or two would be in order... <br /><br />I don't care what other people wear, as long as I don't have to look at A) Their sweaty fat rolls/ body hair or B) Their underwear or C) Their nipples.<br /><br />I don't "stick to an era." Impossible. I've been known to mix a c.1935 wrap top with a 1960's mod pencil skirt wearing fishnets, spectator shoes, and my hair in a victory roll and high ponytail. Somehow I get away with it. I feel so divine and don't really bother about the people who don't get me. I can live in my pretty, happy cocoon and know that there will be people I pass who smile to themselves and tell their families the story of the weird girl they saw in the street. I love that most about dressing this way, that I inject a little whimsy into a stranger's day. <br /><br />Anyway, I guess I might get more grumblings about my decade promiscuity if I knew anyone who was part of "the subculture" but I just don't. Most of my interactions are with husband's family who think I am weird anyway, with my older lady co-workers who delight in eccentricity, and with my students who exclaim <br />"oh my God, I can't believe a person made that...!"<br /><br />OH ho, a long rambling post...Stephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08235341738044433500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-85909066465097186442010-01-27T02:59:47.832-05:002010-01-27T02:59:47.832-05:00I've noticed lately that there is a push in th...I've noticed lately that there is a push in the vintage community to be more 'authentic' and not to mix eras, and my personal theory is that this movement aims to create a distinction between rockabillies and 'true vintage'. I may mix eras and wear what I like, however, I still like looking 'done', as you say (though it doesn't take as much effort as you'd think - I've always hated how sweatpants made me feel like a slob, and I think that it's a process of replacing those things with other items that are just as comfortable. Cardigans, a loose shirt and a circle skirt - no vintage underpinnings - is how I relax at home).<br /><br />I wish that feminism and aestheticism didn't have to be considered such mutually exclusive ideals. I believe it is possible to be a strong, independent woman who takes pride in her appearance - so long as she is doing it for the right reasons (and I think it's safe to say that if any of us were dressing up for men, we wouldn't be wearing such modest outfits!) I don't want to be judged from both sides of the camp - those who think I should be more authentic, and those who think that I'm 'trying too hard'. This is a standard of beauty that I choose for myself, because it makes me happier and more confident. That's all there is to it.Miss Emmihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07251628463640473391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-41801547716018688982010-01-27T01:28:37.205-05:002010-01-27T01:28:37.205-05:00Pretty sure it's accoutrements. In most French...Pretty sure it's accoutrements. In most French words you still add the 's' in writing but do not pronounce. Kinda. for the most part.Miss Subhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06807393272869913743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-47214835502925452472010-01-27T00:49:52.684-05:002010-01-27T00:49:52.684-05:00Personally I prefer the more eclectic look of vint...Personally I prefer the more eclectic look of vintage mixed with modern. Take the most flattering aspects of both and mash them up!<br />I've read those quotes by Dita about never being out of vintage and it might be true, she is pretty obsessed with it and could very well afford it. Or it might just suit her image to create a fiction that there's no 'real life' or 'time off' beyond the Dita Von Teese presentation. Either way as long as she's having fun, and as long as WE have fun, its really noone else's concern how we choose to incorporate vintage and to what degree.EmilyKatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02202548680341378684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-1045422809937007532010-01-26T22:53:21.743-05:002010-01-26T22:53:21.743-05:00"I prefer to look like I'm inspired by an..."I prefer to look like I'm inspired by an era, rather than like I stepped off the set of Crybaby."<br /><br />ditto!melissanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-85043489998112214222010-01-26T22:44:48.643-05:002010-01-26T22:44:48.643-05:00First about the word empowered, i agree that peopl...First about the word empowered, i agree that people throw it around a bit to much to the point that you ask "do you know what the word means?". But as a youth worker it's a word we have to use because it's a buzz word right now and that’s what funders and employers want to hear.<br /><br />When I was studying I did a research report on subcultures and I had the luck of interviewing a young person who identified as "rockabilly". I thought she looked very put together with her "vintagie" hair and perfect makeup but she told me that other people who identify as rockabilly would "diss" her for wearing levis and a black rock T-shirt. It seems you do have to be "put together" at all times to be welcomed into the fold. <br /><br />But I have heard people in other subcultures being told off for not doing such-and-such properly.Katenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-55036012564503832862010-01-26T22:28:12.890-05:002010-01-26T22:28:12.890-05:00Great post; I can see why you feel some conflictin...Great post; I can see why you feel some conflicting emotions.<br /><br />Funnily enough, this takes me back to conversations I had when redoing a (smaller) old-house kitchen. Even down to the "empowerment" issue, ha! <br /><br />[Open plan/closed plan: Pick your poison]<br /><br />I actually feel the same way about authenticity in dressing as in kitchens: doll up a person or a room in picture-perfect(s) salvage or reproduction, and I'll appreciate the details and the craft without romanticizing the earlier era. <br /><br />But me, I like a big ole mix of old and new. Or new that somehow pays homage to the old via color or pattern or material. <br /><br />Doesn't mean I'll scoff at the so-called purists or those who seek to replicate the look...I'm too busy checking out their creativity. But all them sparkles, it ain't me (tm KD).Vixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08676924453001061927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-18804774396280146272010-01-26T21:23:43.187-05:002010-01-26T21:23:43.187-05:00Very interesting post and very interesting comment...Very interesting post and very interesting comments. Personally, I couldn't do a vintage look every day because it's a lot of hard work and I don't always want to look the same way. Some days I feel 60's mod, some days I feel 50's June Cleaver. Some days I even want to wear something from this century. Some days I live in gym clothes. I admire Dita Von Teese because she always looks amazing. The great part about being a woman in this day and age is that on any day we can choose how we dress and what we look like. We are very lucky, indeed. I'm not sure that the ladies in the 30's, 40's and 50's had as much choice.Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11274649006496918800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-42439210674834996612010-01-26T21:13:31.172-05:002010-01-26T21:13:31.172-05:00Another great post Gertie. I think about this a l...Another great post Gertie. I think about this a lot too. I don't go in for "authenticity" even inasmuch as I think such a thing is possible, like trying to keep everything within a particular era or subculture- feels too costumey to me. I love to mix and match as long as I feel like the styles compliment each other. My cultural/fashion/aesthetic reference points can never be like those of my grandma's or mom's- even if I wanted to; I could never completely "get it right"- even by the widely varied standards of any era-- I'm a product of my time. <br /><br />Sewing, wearing vintage styles, it's all about joy to me. From time to time it's fun to get all done up and feel extra fabulous, but it's not fun to me to sleep on pin curls every night or get up an extra hour early every day to do my hair. When I think about people who are really into the hyperauthenticity thing, I assume for most of it they do it because they really enjoy it, so I'm all for that. And I admire the artistry, research, energy, and commitment that goes into it. But at that level it just looks like work to me. I'm not the kind of person who would spend that long trying to get every hair in perfect place in a modern style, why would I be that kind of person with vintage style, you know? <br /><br />On the other hand, I have a dear friend who does love to create a masterpiece most days, and so does take the time. For her it's worth it because she loves to do it, and loves the results-- and you can see the glow of feeling fabulous coming from looking fabulous, and the pride of creating a look that turns admiring heads. <br /><br />As with just about everything in life, though- I'm on board with pretty much everything anyone wants to do to/for themselves, up until the point they start to think everyone else ought to do it their way too.Hillaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01324854929065302634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-46323122559594976902010-01-26T20:40:17.299-05:002010-01-26T20:40:17.299-05:00Vintage beauty took A LOT of work and there was a ...Vintage beauty took A LOT of work and there was a time and place for that during that time period. To accomplish this on a daily basis in the present would be mind boggling for me. I love the vintage look but couldn't maintain it every day. Kudos to the ladies of the 30's, 40's and 50's who could. I have fond memories of my great-grandmother and how put together she always was...hair, make-up, undergarments, dresses, she was always so stylish. Me...I love my jeans and tee shirts and minimal amount of make-up but I do lust after some vintage looks and patterns.<br /><br />As far as Dita goes, I think she is lovely and very high maintenance. Very Garboesque...which works for her. Dita's appearance is how she makes her living and as long as she is happy with it who are we to judge.<br /><br />For me, I think incorporating retro in with modern looks is the way to go. Makes life a little more interesting...mimi ohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03308969238826902872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-38194159318068252202010-01-26T19:52:29.440-05:002010-01-26T19:52:29.440-05:00I really enjoyed this post and all the comments. ...I really enjoyed this post and all the comments. I don't have much to add to the conversation.<br /><br />For me, it took going to college and taking feminist studies courses to finally come to embrace "femininity." It was only after understanding the construct of gender when I could fully appreciate fashion and beauty. Before that, all throughout growing up I was at odds with all the feminine ideals I could see around me. My diaries are filled with "It's not fair that boys...." rants. With time I've gotten more comfortable with myself, and with that comes a better sense of my own personal style. Anyway, thanks again for your post.mary van notehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04714164235227076308noreply@blogger.com