tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post6632046304345782054..comments2024-03-14T16:03:32.434-04:00Comments on Gertie's New Blog for Better Sewing: Found! Zig Zag Wire StaysGertiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04314542159287533507noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-69331471847205578192011-08-07T22:56:07.708-04:002011-08-07T22:56:07.708-04:00Zig Zag wire stays come in a variety of lengths, a...Zig Zag wire stays come in a variety of lengths, and are indeed usually used in Theatre costuming.<br /><br />Most often, they support a high collar at the back neck, and sides.<br /><br />But they are often used in other areas, where a ridgeline support would be too heavy or visible. Places like wings on collars, and areas that must remain crisp, such as the neckline on this bodice.<br /><br />Richard the Thread is a perfect supplier for items such as this.Janethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05052350607558514774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-5630291812207488952011-07-16T10:24:18.582-04:002011-07-16T10:24:18.582-04:00Yep, used in costumes, mostly for high collars-- V...Yep, used in costumes, mostly for high collars-- Victorian, Elizabethan types. Interesting use of it in this pattern.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-90187995162423372012011-07-06T13:40:41.817-04:002011-07-06T13:40:41.817-04:00Very cool! Now I'll know what they are, but wi...Very cool! Now I'll know what they are, but will make my own. Since I dabble in scrapbooking, I have a paper crimper that if you run a small wire through it, produces that exact shape. Fabulous!Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11563230869151812456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-15214399802658341402011-07-05T17:27:50.769-04:002011-07-05T17:27:50.769-04:00I agree that it would be fairly easy to make a sma...I agree that it would be fairly easy to make a small pocket to put these in. As for comfort, considering what the undergarments of the time were, these seem like they'd be a minor irritation. Especially since the collar isn't held right next to the skin tightly.JustGailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08948391538309176039noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-48006694320733511612011-07-04T07:01:30.371-04:002011-07-04T07:01:30.371-04:00I have an early 1940's bustier with these in! ...I have an early 1940's bustier with these in! I thought them unusual at the time! I enjoyed this post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-40336505654460137672011-07-03T13:57:40.407-04:002011-07-03T13:57:40.407-04:00Farthingales also carries them: https://www.farthi...Farthingales also carries them: https://www.farthingalescorsetmakingsupplies.com/products.php?cat=zig-zag<br /><br />I haven't used them, but I can see how they would work very well for that neck line.Peggyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08411846976683327253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-23618595775831528132011-07-02T14:23:36.443-04:002011-07-02T14:23:36.443-04:00buy a pack of 100, make a killing selling them two...buy a pack of 100, make a killing selling them two at a time!Carolinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05331877502227636707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-67923403021868606052011-07-02T09:14:43.125-04:002011-07-02T09:14:43.125-04:00What a great vintage pattern!
While Im not familia...What a great vintage pattern!<br />While Im not familiar with "zig-zag" stays, we do use a lot of stays in ballet costume bodices. I think the easiest way to make a little casing for the stays (so you can remove them for washing) is to use hem tape. Just stitch it right to the facing, leaving the top open so they can easily slide in and out.Costume Divahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17512660136378480393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-74357935786953844092011-07-02T07:32:51.988-04:002011-07-02T07:32:51.988-04:00oo now that's interesting I've not heard a...oo now that's interesting I've not heard about these or come across them before, be nice to see how the dress looks with and with-out them :) xSarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09796254211159293271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-41012833961929312692011-07-02T07:06:47.677-04:002011-07-02T07:06:47.677-04:00I love seeing how things are made.
Do you think ...I love seeing how things are made. <br /><br />Do you think you'll make it?<br /><br />It would be interesting to see how it fits with and without the metal stays. The bodice looks like it might be kind of loose across the collar bones and maybe the stays hold better than a facing.RoseAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01360864547510178832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-65133231547541243132011-07-02T06:46:17.050-04:002011-07-02T06:46:17.050-04:00Hi, note the waist of the straight skirt has pleat...Hi, note the waist of the straight skirt has pleats and it is drawn standing out quite a bit? That was the shape and vilene interfacing was the solution to make it. And have it keep its shape. I don't think this shape has ever really had a renaissance like other retro styles have.MrsC (Maryanne)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14440723067459232998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-81945130122251503382011-07-02T00:43:23.335-04:002011-07-02T00:43:23.335-04:00Our couture class used Richard the Threads for our...Our couture class used Richard the Threads for our spiral boning and coutil for the corselettes of our cocktail dresses. We placed one order and a classmate drove down to pick it up. I think a bunch of intermediate students decided they were going to make corsets just for fun and placed an order with them, too.<br /><br />Because they are costuming oriented (and this is Los Angeles so there is A LOT of costuming going on here), you basically buy in bulk when you deal with them. <br /><br />They were very helpful and had good prices for their supplies.<br /><br />Jennifer/Pintucks might have something to add...I don't know if she's (or her students) dealt with them or not.DrJulieAnnhttp://grandmassewingcabinet.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-65859787182214803992011-07-01T22:23:16.078-04:002011-07-01T22:23:16.078-04:00This is such an unbelievably timely post, since in...This is such an unbelievably timely post, since in the mail today I just received <a href="http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/viewimage.x/00000000/oncillakat/P1490397.JPG?vvid=64608244&allow_track_link=1&track=027c0255f1-df075&sp=1&vsid=1&vgp=1" rel="nofollow"> these</a> which were admittedly an impulse purchase, but one that I'm hoping will help me realize the 1930s winter coat of my dreams. Please let us know how your work with these stays turns out, whatever you may learn along the way! I am always fascinated by interesting, esoteric notions anyway. <br /><br />Does seam really odd outside the facing in this case though, I agree. I like Annie's idea of making a little pocket to enclose them!Hillaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01324854929065302634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-85426924756258996062011-07-01T18:57:37.231-04:002011-07-01T18:57:37.231-04:00Never heard of those stays, but they are really in...Never heard of those stays, but they are really interesting. I do suppose they would have to be taken out for cleaning, so having them on top of the facing would work well.<br /><br />Richard the Thread is to die for!! My son requested a completely authentic Civil War era outfit to wear for his annual visit to Gettysburg in the fall. This website can help - thanks!Paulahttp://www.learnhowtosewnow.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-22693711766145872182011-07-01T16:43:33.577-04:002011-07-01T16:43:33.577-04:00Maybe you could improvise a little pocket for the ...Maybe you could improvise a little pocket for the stays inside the facing. Then you could slip 'em out before washing, then slip 'em back in to wear (assuming that's the reason they're sewn outside the facing). That would be much easier than ripping them off and then sewing them back on whenever it needs a wash.Annienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-50214560139846574032011-07-01T15:24:39.049-04:002011-07-01T15:24:39.049-04:00Love old fashioned notions!
I find it interestin...Love old fashioned notions! <br /><br />I find it interesting that I have a 1960 Butterick pattern with an almost identical bodice option (set-in sleeves instead of kimono but same midriff section and surplice upper bodice) and that doesn't call for zig-zag stays. Instead a popper is used because, even with interfacing, the surplice front flops open.<br /><br />I can't imagine they're terribly comfortable, perhaps if they'd stayed fashionable a plastic version might have been created.Social Historianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09930089762630968441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-65334969880740167802011-07-01T13:34:55.661-04:002011-07-01T13:34:55.661-04:00I too have seen them on Edwardian necklines. Just ...I too have seen them on Edwardian necklines. Just photographed a pair on the high neckline of a ~1910 lace collar set this week actually. Never seen them on something that late though.<br /><br />-CholeChole Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03921051758718717972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-39764683296085623022011-07-01T13:14:56.746-04:002011-07-01T13:14:56.746-04:00Farthingale's sells them individually:
http...Farthingale's sells them individually: <br /><br />https://www.farthingalescorsetmakingsupplies.com/products.php?cat=zig-zagKittyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13643880362212713220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-82995415668788084552011-07-01T11:55:52.705-04:002011-07-01T11:55:52.705-04:00Yes the first thing I thought was they would be pe...Yes the first thing I thought was they would be perfect to hide between the neck and facing! How odd to have it on the outside (of the inside) when we put so much effort into covering, padding, and hiding every other structural addition. <br />Metal! Pointy! Ow!<br />Do you think you will try them?Katrina Blanchallehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03300264690284771712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-37938290494804621492011-07-01T11:48:53.150-04:002011-07-01T11:48:53.150-04:00Looks like it's the full skirt that would be i...Looks like it's the full skirt that would be interfaced. An interfacing (and we're talking fabric, yes, not that awful "non-woven interfacing" stuff?) would give a skirt structure and volume--very sculptural.<br /><br />The full skirt would have deep folds, not the softness of a full skirt with a crinoline. Actually, this might be kind of fun to try, and cooler and less scratchy to wear than a crinoline. Oh, how I loved full dresses as a child, and how miserable and itchy I felt most of the time I wore them!! I wonder if the interfaced skirt might be difficult to sit in?Jackienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-52486215134022151642011-07-01T11:16:28.256-04:002011-07-01T11:16:28.256-04:00Like Vanessa, I've also seen these used on the...Like Vanessa, I've also seen these used on the collars of Victorian/Edwardian high-necked blouses and bodices. The were quite common for that. I feel like I've seen them elsewhere on clothing of that time period (I spend a lot of time with museum historical dress collections - old clothes, lol) but can't remember exactly where. I also want to say that the ones I've seen were covered with silk thread, like fur hooks, but can't be quite sure. If the ones available today are not thread-covered, I don't see why you couldn't hand-stitch them to the inside of the facing for comfort, either before or after finishing the neckline.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-31977241822617513162011-07-01T11:00:58.968-04:002011-07-01T11:00:58.968-04:00I've seen the zig zag stays used in Edwardian ...I've seen the zig zag stays used in Edwardian high-necked blouses.Vanessahttp://www.vessangel.etsy.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-84419051481194633922011-07-01T10:06:18.342-04:002011-07-01T10:06:18.342-04:00I'm thinking about confort... do you think it ...I'm thinking about confort... do you think it can be confortable?? never heard of those before...caelen tegerhttp://blogspotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-69709139539436083652011-07-01T09:20:37.422-04:002011-07-01T09:20:37.422-04:00I love that neckline combined with loose elbow len...I love that neckline combined with loose elbow length sleeves!laphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05129728708993920747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3259455441759015869.post-4535661518990491812011-07-01T08:07:50.588-04:002011-07-01T08:07:50.588-04:00I guess it solves that annoying problem where the ...I guess it solves that annoying problem where the collar constantly flops open so you can see the facing. Can imagine them wiggling them way out through the fabric and causing painful collarbone scratches though!Kathrynhttp://yesilikethat.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com